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Stem Cell Veto #2

Even if you didn't know about it, if you pay attention to the US government at all then you probably won't be surprised to find out that yesterday bush vetoed another bill which would have lifted restrictions on stem cell research funding. Now two of the three vetoes he's cast have been to stymie research that the majority of Americans support, with the third being cast to avoid having to end the occupation of Iraq.

I don't like federal funding of things that will only financially benefit corporations, but sadly it is common practice, and for now I think that stem cells hold so much promise that getting the research done is more important than curtailing corporate welfare in this case. Unfortunately for some unfathomable reason our president seems dead set on delaying research or withholding funds in this case. It would be nice if he'd help get rid of the billions of dollars in free money our government gives oil companies instead, but he doesn't seem at all interested in that. I guess they pay him more...

I can tell you one thing for sure though, despite stem cell research opponents' protestations proclaiming love for all life. If stem cells could grow into any weapon we wanted, the researchers would have more money than they knew what to do with.

...and did the bloated face of power spit down upon the people's will?
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calcion From: calcion Date: June 22nd, 2007 12:04 pm (UTC) (Link)
I don't think its the $$$ that makes him veto it, but more of the religious ideals of what stem cells "are" people. Well atlesat embryonic ones... I don't know why they can't fully fund adult stem cells without any harm done to the religious conservative. Well now that I think about it I believe they do fund adult stem cell research a bit... :P

But I'm all for stem cell research in general! Besides if USA doesn't move into the forefront of stem cell research, we'll just have to go abroad to get anything done :)

studiogaijin From: studiogaijin Date: June 23rd, 2007 10:32 am (UTC) (Link)
You're right, I don't know that it's about money, I'm just pissed off about it and that was a bit of cynical speculation, and it's probably not true since I bet he gets a lot of money from that industry too. I'm not sure that it's really a religious thing either, but it may be.

Even if it is though, the main point of my post is not even that I think we need more stem cell research (although I think we do), but that it's really sick to support things like executions and aggressive wars and then turn around and irrationally fight against the use of tiny clusters of cells which could save or dramatically improve millions of lives or more, and then try to pass that off as taking a stand to protect morality and human life. Especially when the embryos in question are destined to be destroyed anyway with no benefit to anyone.

Most of the atheists I know (including myself) are a lot more "pro-life", in *fact* rather than in narrowly targeted rhetoric, than those people are.

As for the adult stem cell issue, supposedly they're a lot harder to work with than embryonic stem cells and they may or may not be able to do everything we need. I know that there are also people working on other ways of getting the right kinds of stem cells, and I'm all for that.

I don't particularly want to see embryos destroyed (although like I said, the ones they would be using would not end up being used any for anything else since they're leftovers from batches made to implant into people who were having trouble getting pregnant). I don't feel too bad about destroying those embryos though. Most fertilized eggs don't make it anyway...our reproductive systems don't seem to think that every embryo is as important as some people think they are...or maybe God designed us that way on purpose because He he likes to see embryos die? ;)

You're right though, if we don't do the research then someone else will, and it would be nice if we would get back to leading the world in something good instead of just in horrifying weapons of mass (and individual) destruction.
eemfibble From: eemfibble Date: June 23rd, 2007 10:27 pm (UTC) (Link)
Whether Bush believes that it's "wrong" is not as important to him as appealing to the segment of society that does believe it's wrong. It's just another example of how fake people in politics are.
From: (Anonymous) Date: June 24th, 2007 05:05 am (UTC) (Link)
"In the process of harvesting embryonic stem cells, the embryo is destroyed. The primary ethical question raised is whether embryos are people or property. A second ethical issue lies in the extreme inefficiency of harvesting embryonic stem cells. Specifically, the process requires women’s eggs. To treat, for example, the 17 million diabetes patients in the United States will require a minimum of 850 million to 1.7 billion human eggs. Collecting 10 eggs per donor will require a minimum of 85 to 170 million women. The total cost would be astronomical, at $100,000 to $200,000 for 50 to 100 human eggs per each patient." -http://www.heritage.org/Research/HealthCare/wm749.cfm

Wow that is crazy.... Could you imagine the cost of just doing that.

calcion From: calcion Date: June 22nd, 2007 12:13 pm (UTC) (Link)
Well I guess in doing a little research he did approve 100 million funding for existing stem cell lines and 250M for adult stem cells(in aught 1)... Either way a drop in the bucket and not enough room for growth in stem cell research with the limitations.

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